Post by pinbob Post by MayQueen
I completed the MSF course a few weeks ago and not everyone in the class
passed. And quite a few just barely passed, I consider myself one of
the latter. Just a few more points and I wouldn't have passed.
OMG you must be joking. In my ca msf basic rider class, every single person
passed, most having had no experience. Some with a few points to spare but
they couldn't even brake nor corner nor stay in the turning box or even
swerve through the cones or anything. Certainly almost none of them could
handle a liter sized bike at any speed.
Maybe you took a different msf class?
The one I took was two days of two or three hours of "classroom"
instruction where the self indulging so called riding coach kept gloating
about his motorcycle accomplishments mainly what I remember being he rode
in the rain. And then two half days of riding around a huge parking lot the
size of the aircraft carrier hornet where nothing but a passing dog could
possibly be considered an obstruction. By our fourth meeting, we nicknamed
it motorcycle kindergarten, again.
That is exactly what is is designed to be. The MSF Basic RiderCourse is
supposed to be for the novice rider. I go on the assumption that the
students have never been on a bike before and have zero riding
experience. So, yes you might call it motorcycle kindergarten.
Post by pinbob
The funniest part was how the "riding coach" kept telling us how "expert"
he was. Having come from a cold weather country, I can assure you that
riding in the rain, even if it was a veritable downpour, does not qualify a
msf coach to declare himself an expert in all things motorcycles. He even
said the reason for shifting weight when encountering obstacles was to
"lower" the center of gravity! Ha!
I am sorry that you had to deal with that type of RiderCoach. Maybe your
perception of the course would be different, if you had a coach that ran
the class the way it was supposed to be. You can't have a lot of
confidence in a course when the coach is has little or no clue about the
subject he is speaking about.
Post by pinbob
Besides, he had no clue about the laws regarding lane splitting. He said
you had to do it below 20 mph. Ha! What bullshit he spouted. He insisted we
check the fuel cock even though half the donated bikes didn't even have
one. Ha! What a pompous ass. And I'm supposed to learn biking from him?????
Let me ask you a question, Bob. Do you know what the Calif. Vehicle Code
states about the subject of "Lane Splitting", or "Land Sharing"? Not
many riders do. The coach you had in your class should have known. That
question has come up in every course that I have taught, and MSF has
supplied us with documentation that addresses that very subject.
Post by pinbob
I truly fear for my life if someone passes any california msf class and
rides a bike within a mile of me. At least if they pass the california dmv
riding test, they have to be prove themselves to be absolute experts on
their own bike, not a bunch of kindergarten kids on a rented 200 cc toy.
At the end of each course, I tell the students what they learned in the
course is the "basics" of motorcycle riding and they should in no way
they should consider themselves "expert" riders (students with riding
experience know that I am not including them). I suggest that they take
their bikes to places like large parking lots or secluded streets and
get lots of practice before they get out in actual traffic situations.
The city I live is has an industrial area that is pretty vacant on
weekends. It has traffic signals, stop signs, left and right turns, and
the occasional car or two. It is a perfect place to work on your riding
technique, without getting into major traffic.
BTW, the only thing that the DMV test proves is that you know how to
ride in circles at slow speed. How does that show how proficient you
will be on the street, in traffic??