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Help with cleaning small miltipin connectors.
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Blabber
2007-04-02 18:25:41 UTC
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Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from small
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
John
2007-04-02 19:13:25 UTC
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Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak
the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
You can get electrical cleaner in aerosol. If you spray plenty on and blow
off with an air line, it should do the job.

JOhn
OH-
2007-04-02 21:09:38 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
You can get electrical cleaner in aerosol. If you spray plenty on and blow
off with an air line, it should do the job.
If this works, it would be wonderful. The general problem with many
silicon oils, greases and waxes are that they are very hard to get rid of.

I would try some real strong degreaser like CRC Industrial Cleaner
and / or special silicone remover for car paint repairs (used when the
owner has used a wax or polish with silicone).

After that, I'd use some light electric contact spray to prevent
corrosion.
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Blabber
2007-04-02 23:23:21 UTC
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Hi John:

I tried that - hasn't really worked. The cleaner doesn't really remove much
of the silicon and the pin orifices (for lack of a better word) aren't
really big enough to get into in order to clean thoroughly.
Post by John
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
You can get electrical cleaner in aerosol. If you spray plenty on and blow
off with an air line, it should do the job.
JOhn
Stephen!
2007-04-02 22:44:25 UTC
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Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to
clean directly).
Technical Grade A Isopropyl alcohol (99.9% pure)... Not the shit you
buy at the drug store, rather the good stuff we use in the electronics
world to clean up after soldering... It's a hell of a solvent, won't
harm de-energized electronics, and dries without a residue...

http://store.hvchemical.com/browse.cfm/4,102.htm
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Robert Bolton
2007-04-03 01:13:59 UTC
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Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
Tide soap and water? Liquid dish soap? And a toothbrush.

Robert
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2007-04-03 01:26:33 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:13:59 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
Post by Robert Bolton
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
Tide soap and water? Liquid dish soap? And a toothbrush.
Robert
Take it to a jeweller. Tell him it's a necklace and you want
him to use his steam jet and his ultrasonic cleaner on it.
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Blabber
2007-04-03 17:56:39 UTC
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Hi P.jm:

I might have access to an ultrasonic cleaner - thanks for that suggestion.
Any suggestion on a cleaning fluid to use that will be hard on the gunk but
not on the connector or wiring?
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:13:59 -0800, "Robert Bolton"
Post by Robert Bolton
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
Tide soap and water? Liquid dish soap? And a toothbrush.
Robert
Take it to a jeweller. Tell him it's a necklace and you want
him to use his steam jet and his ultrasonic cleaner on it.
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Stephen!
2007-04-04 04:19:55 UTC
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Post by Blabber
Any suggestion on a cleaning fluid to use that will be hard on the
gunk but not on the connector or wiring?
Aren't you listening?

Technical Grade A Isopropyl alcohol (99.9% pure)... Not the shit you
buy at the drug store, rather the good stuff we use in the electronics
world to clean up after soldering... It's a hell of a solvent, won't
harm de-energized electronics, and dries without a residue...

http://store.hvchemical.com/browse.cfm/4,102.htm
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Stephen Cowell
2007-04-04 14:21:06 UTC
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Post by Stephen!
Post by Blabber
Any suggestion on a cleaning fluid to use that will be hard on the
gunk but not on the connector or wiring?
Aren't you listening?
Technical Grade A Isopropyl alcohol (99.9% pure)... Not the shit you
buy at the drug store, rather the good stuff we use in the electronics
world to clean up after soldering... It's a hell of a solvent, won't
harm de-energized electronics, and dries without a residue...
http://store.hvchemical.com/browse.cfm/4,102.htm
The same thing is supposedly available for
de-icing fuel lines, at your local auto parts.

Hot, high-pressure water can do wonders,
as well.... take the bike to the car wash!

Your connectors may need to be retensed...
silicone grease is often spec'ed for lamp
base application, it's not supposed to be
bad for electrical connections, is it?
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John Johnson
2007-04-04 21:05:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cowell
Post by Stephen!
Post by Blabber
Any suggestion on a cleaning fluid to use that will be hard on the
gunk but not on the connector or wiring?
Aren't you listening?
Technical Grade A Isopropyl alcohol (99.9% pure)... Not the shit you
buy at the drug store, rather the good stuff we use in the electronics
world to clean up after soldering... It's a hell of a solvent, won't
harm de-energized electronics, and dries without a residue...
http://store.hvchemical.com/browse.cfm/4,102.htm
The same thing is supposedly available for
de-icing fuel lines, at your local auto parts.
Hot, high-pressure water can do wonders,
as well.... take the bike to the car wash!
Your connectors may need to be retensed...
silicone grease is often spec'ed for lamp
base application, it's not supposed to be
bad for electrical connections, is it?
WRT the earlier post about it being burned up, that's a problem if
you've got arcing in your connector (which is bad anyway, but does
happen sometimes). Petroleum-based dielectric greases don't decompose to
silica, but to carbon (which can affect your connection too, but that's
another story).

The upshot is that so long as there's a quality metal-metal contact, you
should be fine. Anything else is begging for problems. That's why I cut
out the alternator-wiring harnness connector on my VFR and soldered the
junction. I never open that connector, and it doesn't need to be removed
for any purpose short of alternator or main harness removal, so the
quick-connect does me no good (versus the quick connect on my
turn-signals, which is quite handy when I remove a fairing). The OP
might, depending on the connection, consider omitting the quick-connect
(though if it's that small, I doubt this is going to be a favored
solution).
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Blabber
2007-04-04 21:13:03 UTC
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Hi Steve:

I thought it would be fine to use the stuff on connectors, but I've since
learned by doing some searching on line that over time the silicon can react
with metal to create some kind of oxide which acts as an insulator.
Post by Stephen Cowell
Post by Stephen!
Post by Blabber
Any suggestion on a cleaning fluid to use that will be hard on the
gunk but not on the connector or wiring?
Aren't you listening?
Technical Grade A Isopropyl alcohol (99.9% pure)... Not the shit you
buy at the drug store, rather the good stuff we use in the electronics
world to clean up after soldering... It's a hell of a solvent, won't
harm de-energized electronics, and dries without a residue...
http://store.hvchemical.com/browse.cfm/4,102.htm
The same thing is supposedly available for
de-icing fuel lines, at your local auto parts.
Hot, high-pressure water can do wonders,
as well.... take the bike to the car wash!
Your connectors may need to be retensed...
silicone grease is often spec'ed for lamp
base application, it's not supposed to be
bad for electrical connections, is it?
__
Steve
.
Blabber
2007-04-03 17:55:18 UTC
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Thanks for the suggestion Robert, but the connector, pins and pin holes are
much too small to permit the use of a tooth brush.
Post by Robert Bolton
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can
soak the connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean
directly). Thanks for any advice.
Tide soap and water? Liquid dish soap? And a toothbrush.
Robert
Adysthemic
2007-04-04 00:05:28 UTC
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Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from small
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
Dremel with that little round brass brush dipped in wd or tri-flow always
works for me.
Dave H.
2007-04-04 01:41:38 UTC
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"Blabber" wrote...
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from small
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
Whatever you use, get that silicone crap away from anything electrical!

Silicones subject to arcing decompose, leaving a residue of silica (yep,
sand, like on sandpaper) - if this is between mating surfaces or contacts it
wears away any protective plating or contact material, and also embeds
itself in the base metal so that it can carry on wearing away (for instance)
your nice expensive non-repairable switchgear...

You can buy mineral greases designed for electrical contacts which don't
cause this problem - the yellow or red stuff sold for battery terminals is
pretty good, waterproof and corrosion inhibiting.

Hope that helps,
Dave H. (The engineer formerly known as Homeless)
Don Fearn
2007-04-04 03:04:03 UTC
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Post by Dave H.
"Blabber" wrote...
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small
Post by Blabber
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
Whatever you use, get that silicone crap away from anything electrical!
Silicones subject to arcing decompose, leaving a residue of silica (yep,
sand, like on sandpaper) - if this is between mating surfaces or contacts it
wears away any protective plating or contact material, and also embeds
itself in the base metal so that it can carry on wearing away (for instance)
your nice expensive non-repairable switchgear...
You can buy mineral greases designed for electrical contacts which don't
cause this problem - the yellow or red stuff sold for battery terminals is
pretty good, waterproof and corrosion inhibiting.
What are you babbling about? Silicone Dielectric Grease is exactly
what you WANT on electrical connections that are subject to the
elements. Yeah, like connections on motorcycles. See
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/DIEG-EN.pdf for more details . . . .

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Dave H.
2007-04-04 10:56:03 UTC
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"Don Fearn" wrote...
Post by Don Fearn
Post by Dave H.
"Blabber" wrote...
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small
Post by Blabber
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
Whatever you use, get that silicone crap away from anything electrical!
Silicones subject to arcing decompose, leaving a residue of silica (yep,
sand, like on sandpaper) - if this is between mating surfaces or contacts it
wears away any protective plating or contact material, and also embeds
itself in the base metal so that it can carry on wearing away (for instance)
your nice expensive non-repairable switchgear...
You can buy mineral greases designed for electrical contacts which don't
cause this problem - the yellow or red stuff sold for battery terminals is
pretty good, waterproof and corrosion inhibiting.
What are you babbling about? Silicone Dielectric Grease is exactly
what you WANT on electrical connections that are subject to the
elements. Yeah, like connections on motorcycles. See
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/DIEG-EN.pdf for more details . . . .
Hi Don, I know it's sold as such, but this is a known problem with silicones
in electrical contact applications, refs here:

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1518216&isnumber
=32504
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1135411&isnumber
=25247
http://www.e-driveonline.com/images/DowCorning.pdf
http://www.echeloninc.com/contactlubrication.htm (the "silicone
contamination" bit)

There are a number of advisories (particularly among the military and
aerospace fields) regarding avoidance of silicones in electrical contact
assemblies - this issue has only been known since the late 80's / early 90's
but there are a number of verified and reviewed studies that have been
carried out that all contra-indicate its use where moving or arcing contacts
are present.

A nice quote re inter-board contacts (from a computer engineer)

"Another contaminant that causes havoc when deposited within connections is
silicone. Furniture and floor polishes are prime culprits in the spread of
silicone oligomer which can contaminate connections a considerable distance
from the source application. Fretting or arcing converts the oligomer into
hard crystals of abrasive compounds, e.g. silicone carbide, which cause a
loss of conductivity and exacerbate the wear in the contacts.

Many sprays sold for electrical use contain silicone oils which, although
they may provide lubrication and repel water, do more harm than good in this
context."

In my last job (maintaining a military satellite ground-station) and my
current job (maintaining internet backbone and similar hardware) there are
strict "no silicones" policies due to this issue (afraid I can't remember
the DEFSTAN number...), to the extent that a USAF guy I knew and worked with
was banned from maintenance activities and sent for retraining for using
silicone grease to seal external connectors (just like those multipins on
our bikes). I've had personal experience of a set of bike switchgear ruined
by silicone use, and seen the results of contamination in a variety of other
contact assemblies (I've been maintaining a variety of electrical and
electronic kit for 30 years, and it *only happens with silicones*) and I
would never let the stuff near anything I might have to repair in the
future!



Hope that helps,

Dave H. (The engineer formerly known as Homeless)
Blabber
2007-04-04 21:14:32 UTC
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With all due respect Don; that's what I thought, and I was wrong! I've got
big problems to clean up now.
Post by Don Fearn
Post by Dave H.
"Blabber" wrote...
Post by Blabber
Anyone have any ideas on how to remove silicon dielectric grease from
small
Post by Blabber
multipin bike connectors? I'm looking for something that I can soak the
connector in or spray on (since the pins are too small to clean directly).
Thanks for any advice.
Whatever you use, get that silicone crap away from anything electrical!
Silicones subject to arcing decompose, leaving a residue of silica (yep,
sand, like on sandpaper) - if this is between mating surfaces or contacts it
wears away any protective plating or contact material, and also embeds
itself in the base metal so that it can carry on wearing away (for instance)
your nice expensive non-repairable switchgear...
You can buy mineral greases designed for electrical contacts which don't
cause this problem - the yellow or red stuff sold for battery terminals is
pretty good, waterproof and corrosion inhibiting.
What are you babbling about? Silicone Dielectric Grease is exactly
what you WANT on electrical connections that are subject to the
elements. Yeah, like connections on motorcycles. See
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/DIEG-EN.pdf for more details . . . .
pooder was here feeling greasy
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